A total of 91 popes are buried in crypts in the grotto in St. Peters Basilica in Rome. But of course, anyone can say what they want. All I need to know: Do people obey Jesus. Passions are sure to ignite in the more weighty matters of life, and one’s faith is (or at least should be) at the top of the heap. Occupation In fact, John's tyrannical rule was pretty much the reason why the Magna Carta document limiting the power of the throne in Britain and bringing about civil liberties was created, with him largely being forced to sign it by various barons. They were cremated and laid there. you twist the scriptures to your own desruction. It is not a secret place and any one can visit the Vatican Grottoes which is a major tourist attraction in Italy. Further, that God dwelt even in their bodies in spiritual wise, the Apostle tells us, saying, Know ye not that your bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit dwelling in you?, and The Lord is that Spirit, and If any one destroy the temple of God, him will God destroy. He gave them His legislative, or disciplinary power: “He who hears you, hears Me, and he who despises you despises Me.” (Luke 10:16), “Whatsoever you bind on earth, shall be bound also in Heaven.” (Matthew 18:18), “If a man will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen.” (Matthew 18:17). Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Later on, while clinging to the edge of his bed chamber balcony, he calls on his guards to save his gold rather than him. And only do so after they have confessed their faith in Him in public, in front of 2X students of Jesus. Jesus in sitting at the right hand of the Father (one incarnation–which you recognize). The one “true” church is “the body of believers who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach, and God-Yahweh, the Father”. There, though not mistreated, he died of an infection from an absess on May 19, 1296. So I suspect that this may change in the near future. I am a Roman Catholic. When it comes down to deciding a theological issue about defined Catholic dogma, there isn’t really much to discuss on the Catholic’s side because once Rome speaks, it is settled. What is so difficult to understand not to pray to anyone else but to God though Jesus? As a Catholic It is impossible on this vitriolic Catholic bashing website to get anywhere with this bunch. No wonder popes capitalize pronouns when speaking of themselves, they probably think they are taking God’s place here. No problem as i live in earth as a good soul now and believe in reincarnation. He gave them His power to sanctify: “Baptising them…” (Matthew 28:19), forgive sin “Whose sin you shall forgive, they are forgiven…” (John 20:23), and offer sacrifice “Do this in remembrance of Me” (1 Corinthians 11:24). Utterly humiliated, John swore revenge on Robin Hood, labeling him a wanted man in Nottingham. The good news is that He is the resurrection and life. THey rejected other ideas as well, namely the infallability of the Pope and the idea that a single person could not have a relationship with God without an intercessor in the church, ie priest, bishop, cardinal, pope. Jesus died on the cross, and spent three days and three nights in in the grave. Here is a scriptural definition of religion. Faith implies the correct understanding of, and assent to, the teaching of the Bible about Christ. To put it in a universal and understandable way for folks of all religious persuasions, Love is something like this, I think. The Bible says we hall not call any created thing Holy. She said: “I love all religions. The Messiah do like human beings to use their brains, read instructions, and follow them. Such Protest ivarfjeld….such a Protestant! Neither is there any Biblical defense for keeping corpses, skulls and bones for display inside Churches and Chapels. trust the FDA, the doctors who prescribe such medications, and the advertisements. WILL NOT get me into heaven, and on judgment day I get the feeling too many will ultimately be quite shocked, highly disappointed, and extremely saddened by what they’ve let themselves be drawn into following. Where does it say in Scripture that Christ founded any such system as a church? “I thought Catholics were ALOT like Jews”, NO, NO AND NO this is NOWHERE near the truth, as Biblical Judaism and Christianity are really a “completion” of each other and that DOES NOT include Catholicism or any other “religion” that goes against the Word of God. This is odd. You shall have no other gods, this religion breaks the law of God. For death is rather the sleep of the saints than their death. Thanks to whomever started this thread, I understand where you were coming from, and will continue to lean on the Lord and follow His Word, despite what any man-made traditions lead me to believe otherwise. The Pope looks like a certifiable lunatic yet billions look up to him as some kind of demigod. Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Isaiah 43:10,11 – “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. No matter how much you love someone who has passed, you are not supposed to dig them up and put them in a glass display to pray to them. This seems ANTI – G-d. I’m sorry to sound so critical. Suitably they left and or modified what suited their agenda. What then, is more precious than to be in the hand of God? Are you saying that ROman Catholic believers do not worship dead popes? He was also a terrible military leader, responsible for losing all English continental territories to Philip Augustus. Ask yourself this. This dead Pope is not put for public display. The Bible calls the Church the Body of Christ, and if the Church became corrupt or taught error it could be rightly said that Christ was corrupt or teaching error. He would return for the same event in 2014. definition of - senses, usage, synonyms, thesaurus. They are not pagan. Ephesians 2:8-9) “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast.”. There are literally thousands of Protestant congregations, and none of them believe exactly the same thing. They aren’t the property of Peter or any pope. The Protestant Bible is missing 7 books that God wants included. Acts 19:11-12 “And God wrought by the hand of Paul more than common miracles. No relic can save you nor heal you. Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. The Bible reveals an infinite God who is perfect in holiness, love, wisdom and in all His attributes. Read your Bible, share the good news and keep worship simple. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Therefore what Christ was really saying is “Thou art Mr. Stone, and upon this stone I will build My Church.” Christ could not possibly be referring to Himself in this text when using this word in this way. For this reason, God said in the Book of Proverbs: “As if a thorn should grow in the hand of a drunkard: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.” (Prov. Also to commuicate with the dead. Churches were then built in memory of these saints and their remains would be given a resting place in these Churches. What does any of this have to do with Catholics praising idols (ex: kissing dead people, hearts) and what does this have to do with them praising Mary as if she were God? […]. We know from reliable archaeological findings and and tradition that Peter went to Rome in the course of his apostolate and was martyred there in around 67AD by the Roman Emperor Nero who publicly called himself the enemy of Jesus Christ. undisputed true facts in history of the church, not just books on Orthodoxy. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. You are even listening to a man who sins by being called “Holy Father”! I’m not a fan of the Roman Catholic church for sure, I don’t agree with many of the doctrine’s, Dogma’s, cannon law’s. Any child can see a dead body covered with wax with people praying to it as ungodly. You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Just as an example. You are looking at this Chapter and verse of Matthew 16:18: “Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church.” How can you ignore this reference?? There is no Scriptural proof for this false doctrine in either Testament. All believers are saints. Many secular writers would disagree with your statement of undisputed history. Source. If you think coming out of the Catholic Church like you did is ‘full knowledge of the Gospel’ then you may find my spirituality at war with such a ‘blessing’. Of course not. He was also alleged to have suffered from epilepsy. Minions He mostly, however, appears in places meant for entertainment purposes, and most of his appearances involve an even centering the Disney Villains franchise, among other things. Thus, when the Church worships on earth, the Church that is in Heaven worships with it. The Protestant clergy are not trained in moral law, and therefore cannot advise the laity as they should. Another time he starved to death the wife and son of his former friend, William de Briouze. Muslims and Jews lived peacefully for the most part for hundreds of years until zionists got involved. I am His disciple and I share His convictions. Heaven and Earth will pass away, but God’s words are eternal. It doesn’t say there is some magical power in them. No matter which way you twist it, or try to explain it, God’s Word is law. Jesus says he will reveal himself to those who love him by doing what he teaches. We pay $20,000 for a $200 jacket worn by Jacqueline Kennedy, faint at Beatles concerts, engage in riotous behavior to get our hands on one of Elvis’s scarves, but when a relic of St. Catherine is mentioned, people snicker. Once upon a time there was a Roman Emperor. There’s a demonic spirit behind these popes maybe they hold on the corpses in case one of them wakes up and becomes the False Prophet? It will show you that all of the catholic traditions have been taken directly from babylonian worship. He ends up getting tricked by the con artists, represented by J. Worthington Foulfellow and Gideon, and parades through the kingdom in his long johns, only realizing his mistake when a girl points out the truth. Now back to being “Fra Pietro”, he had hoped to return to hermetical life. Counterfeit faith is deceptively similar, but it is powerless and useless to save. Other Villains: Br'er Fox • Br'er Bear • Oogie Boogie • Winifred Sanderson • Mary Sanderson • Sarah Sanderson • Dr. Hämsterviel • Queen Narissa • Wicked Witch of the West • Ripslinger • Hitchhiking Ghosts, Video Games: Disney Villains Challenge • Disney's Villains' Revenge On one occasion, for example, he ordered twenty-two captive knights to be taken to Corfe Castle in Dorset and starved to death. What Jesus said to Peter…he did not say to the Catholic Popes. 1. Forever is there a connection between the remains and the soul that has departed from them — and the great souls whose remains are left to us have a power described well by St. John of Damascus (a.k.a. Lord have mercy! I want you to know I spent my whole life not knowing ALL the history of the church, I could not live a whole Christian life not knowing ALL that happened from the time of Jesus until now, and why we have so many religions today? The Church was the only real organized educational institution at the time and the tradition became to have the first born son become a priest. Some would also mention the hem of Christ’s garment (Luke 8:43-48), but I would omit this in apologetics vs. Protestantism, since it will likely be dismissed on the grounds that Christ was present at the time, and said “thy faith hath made thee whole.” The testimony on all the miracles, past and present, attributed to relics, are also an apologetic in themselves. Sharlene, It is clear. After all, even Satan “believes” in Christ. 33 Then the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell at his feet and, trembling with fear, told him the whole truth. She, at the wedding of Cana, interceded when the wine ran out, and said to the servants, even though it was not yet time for Jesus to begin His public ministry: “Do whatever He tells you.” Gospel of John 2:5. It is out of love that most bother to discuss with Catholics. Can I also add. But the Bible says NO. 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Let this dead popes be burried in the graveyard and then you cuold instead put flowers on their graves! In regards to celibacy, it’s not man made, it is following the examples of Jesus, John the Baptist, Jeremiah, and St Paul’ to name a few and last i checked they are still in the Bible. Nor are they admitted to peaceful relations and communion by such churches as are in any way connected with apostles, inasmuch as they are in no sense themselves apostolic because of their diversity as to the mysteries of the faith” (ibid.). They can’t both be right. I would suggest CatholicAnswers.org for some answers to many of your questions. Worship of such things would be wrong, and every Catholic knows that, but the proper veneration of the earthly remains of God’s true servants … looking forward to their (and our own) glorious resurrection is right, just, and as authentically Christian as anything can possibly be. Venerating anyone above Christ Jesus is idolatry. Repent or perish. People who leave the Church do not leave because they found the Church untrue, but because they have been untrue to their own obligations. Clearly, anyone with this view is not going to “warm up” to Rome any time soon. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”. But this merely pushes the question back a step. "Friar Tuck?! Protestantism does not preserve Christian standards intact. The people viewed Robin Hood as a hero, so he was never turned in for his crimes against the prince despite the offer of a huge reward. And since they are not infallible, the apostle Paul advises us to ‘test all things; hold fast what is good’ (1 Thessalonians 5:21), while James warns us: ‘My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. I thank God that the Catholic Church continues to uphold the great truths on the Deity and incarnation, death and bodily resurrection of Christ, as expressed in the ancient creeds from the 3-4th century still used today! The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15–17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. The question which probably worries none believers is why Popes are preserved in this way. do not judge by the outward appearance. Believe in whatever you wish, You have no proof in any way whatsoever, so its merely a teeny weeny personal belief that you have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to impose it on ANYONE. so that in next birth you can still enjoy your soul itself instead of getting salvation from your jealous god crusified. It remains, then, that we demonstrate whether this doctrine of ours, of which we have now given the rule, has its origin in the tradition of the apostles, and whether all other doctrines do not ipso facto proceed from falsehood” (ibid., 21). Hi txlady706 and thanks for not just joining in the torch and pitch-fork parade here and for asking honest questions. “There are literally thousands of Protestant congregations, and none of them believe exactly the same thing. They said that if i don’t like a certain practice or belief, it’s my choice if i’d support it or not, that they won’t force me or anything. These provide a solid memory for the Church which claims its foundation in Jesus himself. But not all the Popes are buried and kept for display inside the Vatican. 50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. You say Catholics think that Protestants teach “easy-believism;” believing is easy. perhaps not….but they didn’t die today. The Messianic Rabbi’s, threw the Hebraic texts have given me insight (with the help of Yeshua Hamashiach-Jesus Christ and the Ruach HaKodesh-Holy Spirit as well). 1. That includes many items used during a Catholic mass. It is anti-God and does NOT reconcile with Judaism in any way, shape or form. Because of tradition, the Catholic church now has graven images, obligatory fasting, relics, indulgences, celibate ministry, the sacrifice of the mass, the confessional, purgatory and so on, all of which are absent from the Bible and indeed contradict the plain teachings of Scripture. His lack of a mane could also represent how real life male lions with a lack of testosterone, such as from being neutered, lose their manes: a fitting imagery for him as he is weak and cowardly in stark contrast to the more noble and mighty King Richard. The Saint Seiya anime (also known as Knights of the Zodiac), based on the manga series of the same name by Masami Kurumada, was produced by Toei Animation.It first premiered on Japan's TV Asahi on October 11, 1986, and continued on until April 1, 1989. Its just not true. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem twenty-nine years. Obviously there are a lot of possible reasons, and while we should not divide over secondary issues, both sides agree that we must divide when it comes to primary issues. No where in scripture does it say a man of God destroyed a bronze serpent??? Exodus 13:19 “And Moses took Joseph’s bones with him: because he had adjured the children of Israel, saying: God shall visit you, carry out my bones from hence with you.”, 4 Kings 13:20-21 “And Eliseus died, and they buried him. On the left of the Grotto, there is a black metal cabinet with many compartments. St. Jerome (ca. Jesus, second person of the Trinity Keep your eyes on the soon returning Messiah, Jesus Christ. But if she was with Cornelius, who succeeded the bishop [of Rome], Fabian, by lawful ordination, and whom, beside the honor of the priesthood the Lord glorified also with martyrdom, Novatian is not in the Church; nor can he be reckoned as a bishop, who, succeeding to no one, and despising the evangelical and apostolic tradition, sprang from himself. 34 He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering.”. It is not enough to say that “Catholics believe in Jesus Christ” since there are true and false kinds of belief. WE as catholics do not worship, they said it wrong, I promise. Also, there are many different divisions or types of Jews. However, most popes are not on display as the saints but laid to rest in the Vatican Grottoes, which is like a cemetery accessible like any family cemetery. An unprepared reader, or someone with no convenient knowledge, will either not understand the text, or misunderstand it, get at an even worse state than that one of ignorance.